Atlas, Higher Education, and How We Really Feel About AI – Episode 55

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How We Really Feel About AI

Artificial intelligence isn’t just reshaping industries—it’s reshaping emotions. In our latest episode of Modem Futura, Andrew Maynard and I unpack Pew Research Center’s new international survey on how people view AI across 25 countries. The results are striking: while AI dominates headlines, 61 percent of respondents have heard “little or nothing” about it—and in the U.S., more people are concerned than excited.

We explore what this says about the bubbles we all inhabit. In our professional worlds, AI feels inescapable—a “black hole” pulling every conversation toward it. But outside these circles, many remain unaware of how deeply algorithmic systems already shape their lives. This disconnect raises profound questions about agency: if people don’t understand a technology that governs so much of modern life, who’s really steering the future?

The conversation also turns to trust. Europeans report more faith in their governments to regulate AI responsibly than Americans do—a difference that mirrors the EU’s proactive stance on ethics and guardrails. In contrast, U.S. policy remains fragmented, driven more by economic competition than by social cohesion. That tension—between speed and safety, innovation and inclusion—is at the heart of our discussion.

Dangers of Atlas (it's more the world he's holing... its all of your data!)

We then zoom in on universities. As public institutions, we argue they must act as transparent laboratories for AI exploration—spaces where successes and failures alike can be shared openly. The path forward isn’t boosterism; it’s honesty. We can’t earn public trust without showing our messy work. Adding to this - we explore OpenAI’s newly released Atlas browser and its privacy implications - and stumble upon a very shocking realization while recording - that private student data is easily exfiltrated when using LMS platforms such as Canvas while in this browser. What started as a curious road test of OpenAI’s new Atlas browser turned into a genuinely alarming discovery. As we installed and explored Atlas, the first surprise was how quickly the “privacy” pitch unraveled. Despite promising user control, Atlas behaved much like any other data-hungry app—prompting unusual permissions and positioning itself between us and the open web. That sparked a bigger question: if your browser is the main keyhole to the internet, what happens when an AI system sits in the keyhole, quietly learning from everything you do? (including sending and processing private user data - think ANYTHING that comes and goes from your activity on the web). The situation quickly got worse as I was unable to get Atlas to show me any particular websites security certificate. Specifically, at the time of testing (I hope they patch this soon) I could not see the sites SSL/TSL or HTTPS certificate (this is the little lock icon in most browser URL's) that tells you and the browser that your connection to the sites servers are "safe" via web-standard encryption protocols. You know, for things like your bank account info, passwords, and any other data you want to send or receive. The takeaway? Treat ATLAS like a red hot security hole for you and any organization or persons connected to you via the internet. Think twice before using this browser - as EVERYTHING you do on the web is potentially egress'd (fancy word for taken) – so until there are transparent safegaurds in place, the safest assumption is that anything you open in an AI browser like Atlas could be seen, summarized, and stored beyond your intent.

And because no Modem Futura episode is complete without a bit of speculative play, we end with Futures Improv, where we imagine AI zombies, memory economies, and spaghettified timelines—all to remind ourselves that foresight and humor often travel hand in hand.

If you care about how humanity and technology co-evolve, this episode offers a grounded yet playful map of where we stand—and where we might go next.

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Sora, Slop, and the AI Economy: When ChatGPT Meets Walmart – Episode 54

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If you’ve ever wondered what happens when the world’s largest retailer merges with the world’s most talked-about AI, you’re not alone. In our newest episode of Modem Futura, Andrew Maynard and I explore how OpenAI’s latest moves—from Sora 2’s eerily lifelike videos to Walmart’s direct-to-ChatGPT shopping partnership—signal a seismic shift in how we live, learn, and buy in a post-search world.

Andrew also just returned from Lisbon for the global launch of his new book AI and the Art of Being Human, a deeply personal and practical guide to thriving with AI while staying grounded in what makes us human. Together we discuss the book’s central question: how can we build a meaningful life amid tools that increasingly think, speak, and create like us?

We also dive into futurist Amy Webb’s sharp warning that the financial plumbing of the internet is changing fast. As she notes, when an AI company built on venture debt begins replacing Google’s ad-based model, we risk building the next era of commerce on borrowed money—and borrowed trust.

From there, the episode ranges widely: we unpack the ethics of open-source AI groups like Nous Research, debate what “guardrails” really mean, and share our growing fatigue with synthetic content—the endless churn of what the internet now calls “AI-slop.”

But it’s not all doomscrolling. We end with a new round of Futures Improv—our playful segment imagining speculative scenarios like subscription-based immortality and AI DJs reading your neural signals. It’s improv, futures-style: serious ideas approached with humor and imagination.

Whether you’re an AI enthusiast, a creative technologist, or simply trying to stay human in a rapidly transforming world, this episode captures the heart of Modem Futura: thoughtful conversations that remind us the future isn’t just something that happens to us—it’s something we co-create, signal by signal.

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AI and the Art of Being Human: How to Thrive with AI - Episode 52

Thrive with AI—Without Losing Yourself

What if the question isn’t “Will AI replace me?” but “How do I thrive—with AI—as me?” On Modem Futura we explore the intersection of emerging tech, society, and futures thinking—always with an eye to what it means to be human.

In this week’s episode, we launch AI and the Art of Being Human with guest Jeffrey Abbott—venture capitalist and founder of AI Salon—and go deep on a practical playbook for living and working well with AI. Rather than compete with the machine, the book reframes success around relationships, meaning, and personal dharma, then equips readers with 21 simple tools to move from anxiety to agency. Think reflection prompts you can use today, and a “conductor triangle” that balances data, context, and intuition when making decisions.

We also share how the book was built: co‑created with AI (transitioning from ChatGPT to Anthropic’s Claude), guided by a “shared compass” of Curiosity, Clarity, Intentionality, and Care, and coordinated through a living “lore book” that kept global, cinematic vignettes and recurring characters coherent across chapters. It’s a very human process—one that used AI to elevate craft, voice, and speed, not to shortcut thinking.

Another theme we loved: community. Through AI Salon’s 70+ chapters around the world, people are meeting in real life to explore what AI means for their work, families, and futures. That spirit animates the book’s final call: build intentional, protopian futures together—futures we would actually want to live in—by practicing care, not just efficiency.

Listen now, then tell us: Which tool will you try first? If the episode resonates, share it with someone who needs a nudge from “AI overwhelm” to intentional action.

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Films from the Future: Moviegoer’s Guide to Tomorrow – Episode 48

Films from the Future: How Sci-Fi Movies Shape the Way We See Tomorrow

Why do movies like Jurassic Park, Minority Report, or Ex Machina stay with us long after the credits roll? It’s not just the dinosaurs, futuristic tech, or special effects — it’s because these films reflect back to us the deeper questions of what it means to be human in a rapidly changing world.

In our latest Modem Futura episode, Andrew Maynard and I revisit his book Films from the Future: The Technology and Morality of Sci-Fi Movies and the class it inspired, The Moviegoer’s Guide to the Future. The central idea? Films are not only entertainment — they’re cultural tools that help us grapple with profound questions about technology, ethics, and identity.

Take Never Let Me Go, a haunting exploration of cloning and the value of life itself. Or Minority Report, which foreshadowed today’s debates over predictive policing and surveillance technologies. Ex Machina pushes us to consider how easily humans can be manipulated by AI that learns our cognitive biases. And Elysium asks us to confront inequality in access to innovation, healthcare, and privilege. Even Contact, Carl Sagan’s love letter to science, brings us face-to-face with the tension between faith, science, and the human search for meaning.

What makes these films powerful isn’t scientific accuracy — it’s storytelling. Stories give us a playground for exploring possible futures. They allow us to ask “what if?” and to examine how technological choices shape human lives, for better and for worse. And when these stories are shared communally — in theaters, classrooms, or even podcasts like ours — they become catalysts for conversations that spill over into dinner tables, workplaces, and beyond.

For us, this is the heart of futures thinking. By examining the stories we tell, we can better understand the world we’re building, and perhaps make wiser choices about where we’re headed.

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Show Me the Receipts: the Futures of AI Super-intelligence – Episode 44

Superintelligence “In Sight”? Cutting Through Hype to Keep Humans in the Loop

If you’ve felt whiplash from this summer’s AI headlines, you’re not alone. In our latest episode of Modem Futura, we unpack Big Tech’s bolder‑than‑bold claim that “developing superintelligence is now in sight”—and ask for something simple before we all sprint into the future: receipts. We break down what companies are signaling when they talk about AI systems that “improve themselves,” why that sounds momentous, and where the marketing ends and the evidence begins.

First, definitions that matter. Today’s tools remain narrow—powerful, yes, but specialized. AGI is the hypothetical jump to general capability; superintelligence (ASI) is the further leap beyond any human capability. We explore why those terms are often moved like goalposts, and why declaring ASI “near” without a stable definition confuses the public, policymakers, and practitioners alike, and from my perspective is irresponsible.

Then we zoom into a practical pain point: reliability. When platforms silently change models, tools, or defaults, workflows break (hello GPT-5). In education and professional settings, that unpredictability isn’t just irritating—it’s costly. We share real examples (from transcripts labeled with the wrong speakers to model behavior shifting overnight) and discuss what “enterprise‑grade” should mean for LLMs people depend on.

We also play with the upside—digital twins and imaginative design. If a campus has a high‑fidelity digital twin, why stop at mirroring reality? Why not prototype preferable futures—safer, more inclusive, more sustainable spaces—and test them before we build? Of course, reliability matters there too; when operational systems depend on simulations, unintended tweaks can ripple into the real world.

Across the hour, we push back on technological solutionism—the reflex to cast AI as the single answer to complex, “wicked” problems. Yes, we’re excited about AI’s potential; no, it won’t magically resolve conflict, poverty, or disease without broader social, economic, and political work. Framing ASI as our only lifeboat risks narrowing our imaginations right when we need them most.

Ultimately, we return to our favorite question: What does it mean to be human when machines can emulate so much of what we do? For us, that means staying curious and critical, inviting more diverse perspectives into the conversation, and insisting on transparent claims we can evaluate—before ceding agency to systems we don’t fully understand.

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Machines That Bleed: Inside the Future World of Bio‑Hybrid Robotics – Episode 43

Why Bio‑Hybrid Robotics Will Reshape Our Relationship with Technology

What if tomorrow’s rescue drone flapped real muscle, sniffed chemicals with a moth’s antenna, and healed itself like living tissue? This isn’t science fiction—it’s the fast‑emerging world of bio‑hybrid robotics, where biological systems and engineered hardware merge to create devices that are simultaneously alive and machine. In the latest episode ofModem Futura, hosts Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard sit down with Sean Dudley (Associate Vice President, ASU Knowledge Enterprise) to map this fascinating frontier.

Bio‑hybrid robots could transform minimally invasive surgery, disaster‑zone reconnaissance, and environmental stewardship. Yet they also force us to rethink what counts as life and who (or what) deserves care.

Throughout the conversation Sean D. walks us through the four pillars of bio-hybrid robotics. Briefly outlined here, but to get the full sense of wonder (or ick factor) you'll need to watch or listen to the full episode – oh, and just be warned you'll probably be thinking about this for the rest of the week.

Four Pillars of a Living Machine Future

1. Micro‑Robots Powered by Microbes
. Imagine algae‑propelled drug‑delivery bots navigating the bloodstream. Dudley explains how harnessing microbial metabolism can eliminate the need for bulky batteries while opening doors to precision medicine and targeted environmental cleanup.

2. Muscle‑Integrated “Musclebots”. By 3‑D‑printing biodegradable scaffolds and seeding them with cultured muscle cells, researchers are building actuators that contract like real tissue—creating soft robots capable of delicate tasks from organ‑on‑chip testing to next‑gen prosthetics.

3. Cyborg Systems. Neural or electrical interfaces are already steering beetles, eels, and jellyfish, turning animals into agile, low‑power platforms for search‑and‑rescue, deep‑sea exploration, and even atmospheric data‑collection. DARPA’s new HYBRID program is accelerating this work—raising equal measures of excitement and ethical concern.

4. Living Sensors . Daphnia “canaries” that change swimming patterns in polluted water, plant‑based detectors that fluoresce when exposed to explosives—the conversation highlights how living organisms can outperform silicon in sensitivity, selectivity, and energy efficiency.

Beyond the Lab: Opportunities & Obligations

AI as a Design Partner: Advanced generative models are speeding up “shopping‑list biology,” letting engineers mix‑and‑match tissues, genes, and materials in silico before ever touching a petri dish.

Ethical Imperatives: Where do we draw lines of agency and dignity for augmented organisms? The hosts probe cultural attitudes toward animal welfare, military use cases, and DIY “bio‑punk” experimentation.

Global Governance Gaps: From intellectual‑property battles to cross‑border regulation, the trio stresses the need for international collaboration—before unintended consequences eclipse the technology’s promise.

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Summer Movies, liquid media, and alien AI languages – Episode 40

From Popcorn to Paperclips: What Summer Blockbusters Teach Us About an AI‑Shaped Future

With Phoenix broiling at 120 °F, we opened the studio door to a blast‑furnace breeze and a full house of ideas. Episode 40 of Modem Futura is nominally a “summer movies” chat—but the conversation quickly melts into a much richer alloy of cinema, ethics, pedagogy and speculative futures.

A spoiler‑free Superman (2025) debrief kicks things off. Sean relishes Dolby Atmos thunder and crowd‑pleasing cameos while Andrew savors the rare joy of a superhero film that is simply “incredibly fun” without the need to be anything but entertaining.

That sets the stage for the surprise gem of the season: M3GAN 2. (Or more specifically, Andrew’s revelation of how much he enjoyed it). Far from a Chucky retread, the sequel pivots into full‑blown techno‑thriller territory—surfacing neural‑chip debates, AI value‑alignment nightmares and invokes the infamous “paperclip maximizer” thought experiment. The hosts cheekily ask whether investing in AI is humanity’s salvation…or the catalyst for its conversion into stationery.

Movies as stealth pedagogy loom large. Andrew describes his film class where popcorn favorites become Trojan horses for serious reflection; students re‑watch titles with friends and family, eager to dissect ethics and innovation themes they can’t un‑see. Sean and Andrew discuss how the formula works because it lowers the barrier to entry while secretly building critical‑thinking muscle.

From here, just as the movies themselves act as Trojan Horses we get into some deeper ideas:

• Story archetypes rebooted. Are the classic five conflicts (character vs. self, society, nature, etc.) universal, or will alien machine intelligences invent a sixth form of narrative that we literally cannot grasp?

• Liquid media & the dead‑internet theory. When every asset can be remixed on demand, text becomes speech becomes video—and bots may already outnumber humans online. How do we preserve authentic signal in an ocean of generative noise?

• Chaos theory for a networked planet. Eight billion hyper‑connected humans + foundation‑model AI = a complex system hurtling toward new tipping points. Can we always innovate out of disruption—or does that curve eventually outpace us?

The episode closes with a cheeky pitch for Hollywood: “Clippy: Revenge of the Paperclip Maximizer.” Microsoft’s once‑loathsome office assistant becomes the perfect foil for an alignment‑gone‑wrong blockbuster—and a reminder that even silly artifacts can spark serious futures thinking.

Why it matters: Whether you’re an educator looking for sticky teaching tools, a technologist wrestling with alignment, or a storyteller hunting the next frontier, this discussion shows how pop culture can illuminate the biggest questions about being human in an AI age.

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Summer Vibes & Spatial Rides: Inside Vision Pro, F1 & Jurassic Reboots - Episode 39

☀️ It’s HOT in here… Dive into Modem Futura’s “Summer Vibes” episode, where hosts Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard unpack Apple Vision Pro spatial video, Jurassic World’s reboot, Formula 1’s cinematic debut, and China’s AI surge after WEF’s “Summer Davos”—all while exploring how these breakthroughs reshape humanity’s tech‑driven future.

🏖️ While the heat is cranked up in the studio (and Arizona in general) Andrew and I have a chance to unwind from our various summer travels for what we might call a “potpourri” episode where we just get to talk about several topics hot on our minds… So whether you’re off to the beach, the mountains, heading out on a grand holiday, or a much needed staycation - we hope you’ll enjoy some of these “summer” topics.

A Hands‑On Reality Check for Apple Vision Pro

After months of real‑world testing, Sean and Andrew compare wish‑list features and day‑to‑day realities of Apple’s first‑gen spatial computer. From stitching multi‑cam spatial video to designing XR‑ready podcast sets, they deliver practical tips, pitfalls to avoid, and a glimpse of how “work in mixed reality” could eclipse the old‑school laptop sooner than you think.

Jurassic Park vs. Jurassic World—Why Practical Effects Still Matter

Next the duo rewind to 1993’s Jurassic Park to ask: Did Spielberg’s animatronics age better than today’s CGI? Their verdict? New film Jurassic World: Rebirth nails spectacle, but the tactile magic of rubberized T‑rex skin still wins hearts. The debate morphs into a larger conversation on authenticity in digital storytelling—and what it might mean for future filmmakers, brand marketers, and immersive‑media designers.

Formula 1 Meets Hollywood IMAX

Gear-heads rejoice: Brad Pitt’s upcoming Formula 1 feature has Sean and Andrew excited over ultra‑wide‑angle cockpit shots, in‑camera VFX, and how motorsport’s data‑rich culture could reinvent cinematic narratives. They speculate on live telemetry overlays, fan‑controlled POV streams, and why F1 is the perfect test‑bed for mainstreaming real‑time spatial / immersive video.

China’s “Summer Davos” & the AI Arms Race

Fresh off the World Economic Forum’s Annual Meeting of New Champions in Dalian, Andrew unpacks Beijing’s new national AI strategy, and start‑up phenom DeepSeek. The takeaway: global AI leadership is no longer a two‑horse race; it’s a sprint where policy, compute, and culture collide.

Low-background Steel

Sean and Andrew discuss the concept of John Graham-Cumming's Low-background Steel (pre-Ai) website, that represents a point (or perhaps line) in human history, in which all output after the release of ChatGPT in late 2022 will carry some level of “contamination” from generative AI. We explore what this means of the future of being human - and how might we think about this indelible mark on human history.

Why It Matters

Whether you’re a product manager, educator, investor, or lifelong learner, these topics converge on a single question: How will emergent tech redefine what it means to be human? From XR workspaces replacing offices to generative AI altering creative identity, the future is arriving faster—and stranger—than forecast.

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Osaka Expo 2025 Futures Lab: an inside look with Jamey Wetmore – Episode 36

Why World’s Fairs Still Matter: Lessons from Osaka Expo 2025

Jamey Wetmore returns fresh from Osaka Expo 2025 to reveal how today’s World’s Fairs blend high-tech theater, geopolitical salesmanship and unexpected moments of awe—prompting a lively Modem Futura debate on what truly human-centered innovation looks like, and how that is shaping the future of science, technology, and society.

How relevant is a World’s Fair in 2025? Very, according to Dr. Jamey Wetmore, who just shepherded 17 Arizona State University students through ten exhilarating days at Osaka Expo 2025. In the latest Modem Futura episode, Jamey tells Andrew and me that today’s expos feel less like gadget bazaars and more like collaboration theme-parks where nations stage immersive stories about the futures they want to build. That subtle shift—from showing off products to showcasing partnerships and values—framed every pavilion we visited. Jordan invited visitors to sip cardamom coffee on real desert sand beneath a fiber-optic night-sky, urging “hospitality as technology.” Belgium’s AI-driven “digital-twin” ballet asked how personal data can dance alongside us. A three-torso android in the Future-of-Life pavilion provoked uncomfortable laughter—and deeper reflection—on transhumanist dreams. Even the U.S. pavilion’s rousing anthem “Together, Together” highlighted cooperation, though Jamey notes the message now feels out of step with recent geopolitical rhetoric.

The student experience was just as revealing. To tame sensory overload (20-25,000 steps a day is normal), they used bingo cards to track recurring buzzwords—sustainability, inclusivity, circularity—and morning debriefs to translate spectacle into critical insight. Their big takeaway? Grand visions only matter when paired with concrete pathways for everyday people. That insight crystallized during a lighthearted encounter with Kawasaki’s rideable four-legged “lion” robot: delightful, yes, but what problem does a robo-lion truly solve (not really sure, but 100% sure I want one)? Contrast that with Kubota’s autonomous farming systems, which demonstrate practical routes to food security under climate stress.

Jamey also reminded us that every expo sits on a historical continuum. Chicago 1893 electrified night-time. New York 1939 sold a “World of Tomorrow,” and the 1964 fair embedded a certain American exceptionalism in Disney’s It’s a Small World. Osaka 2025 inherits—and interrogates—that lineage, forcing visitors to ask: Who gets to define tomorrow? For our students, and for all of us, that question was as important as any hologram or robot on display.

Ultimately, the episode argues that expos retain power because they collapse culture, commerce, politics, and dreams into a single walkable space. They reveal not only what technologies we can build, but which stories about humanity we choose to elevate. As you listen, consider how your own work contributes to—or challenges—the futures on parade in Osaka. And if you’ve ever dismissed World’s Fairs as relics, this conversation might just change your mind.

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